Mark, your closing statement hits the nail right on the head and for me there is too much overlap in skills with Curtis Samuel. They are clearly both very good WRs that would make a positive difference on any team, but Olave is more polished and the more the finished article for me.
We have all seen the pictures of Ron at the Ohio State pro day talking to Chris Olave, but that aside I can see the logic of taking him in the Commanders offence. Olave and Terry, even Dyami have similarities I guess, but that allows you to spread your speed weapons deep so the overlap in skills seems less to me. Would you agree?
There is twitter talk that whichever Ohio WR we select at #11, then the Eagles will select the other a few spots after. It seems to me that Wilson would be the perfect fit for them to compliment the differentskills of Devonta Smith. I know thats irrelevant in terms of Washington roster, but we do play the Eagles twice a year!
I think the key difference is that NFL offenses can more easily accommodate multiple versions of Olave’s skill set of being a deep threat. Having 2 DeSean Jacksons, for example, would be a nightmare for defenses to have to cover because you’d have to live out of 2-high coverages and be left light in the box constantly. It’s what Miami are about to do with Hill and Waddle. So even though Dyami Brown and Terry McLaurin are both deep threats, adding another in Olave only helps each guy and the rest of the offense.
Teams certainly could accommodate both Samuel and Wilson because they’re both good players. But they’re both players you want to manufacture a certain number of touches a game to, to try and unlock their home run threat. Having them both on the field would cause confusion for defenses in that they wouldn’t know which one lines up where and which one is gonna be a decoy on a fake end-around and which one would get the ball on the jet sweep, for example. Both are capable receivers too, so they could work. But it’s much harder to manufacture those types of touches for two similar players than it is to accommodate two deep threats in an offense.
I continue to be befuddled by the notion that the Commies need to go WR at 11. While they're not loaded at receiver, they're also one sprained ankle away from Corn Elder starting in the secondary. Seems like it's where they're headed, but feels like a luxury pick when they have real depth issues in the secondary, at QB, and on both lines
I don’t think they need to, necessarily. But adding more weapons to help maximize the offense wouldn’t hurt, especially if they deem a WR to be the best player available at their pick. But certainly a DB or LB are in play at 11 too.
I think if Gardiner is there at 11 you take him and work back to the end of round 1 or top of round 2 to get whichever WR slides a little. I am also ok with trading back from 11 if someone wants a Qb and we can net out a late first round and extra day 2 picks. There will be Wrs there who will have excellent careers
Mark, you mentioned the overlap in skill set between Garrett Wilson and Curtis Samuel, which I definitely can see. But how about the similarities between Olave and Terry? I feel like they both rely on great vertical speed and operate really well off the vertical route tree, but are not particular elusive after the catch like Wilson is. That’s why I like Wilson more since I’m still not convinced that Curtis will be 100% next season.
If you see my reply to another comment here, you’ll see I touch on that. There is some overlap between Olave and McLaurin, but its far easier to accommodate two deep threats in an offense than two move pieces like Samuel and Wilson. If you have two deep threats, you can put one on either side and force the defense to work out of 2-high safety coverages, leaving them light in the box. Alternatively you can put them on the same side and use one to open up space for the other.
I also think you’re underselling McLaurin a bit too. He’s maybe not as elusive after the catch as Samuel/Wilson, but he’s certainly physical and breaks tackles to maximize his YAC. Having a deep threat opposite him like Olave will only help him in that regard.
Mark, your closing statement hits the nail right on the head and for me there is too much overlap in skills with Curtis Samuel. They are clearly both very good WRs that would make a positive difference on any team, but Olave is more polished and the more the finished article for me.
We have all seen the pictures of Ron at the Ohio State pro day talking to Chris Olave, but that aside I can see the logic of taking him in the Commanders offence. Olave and Terry, even Dyami have similarities I guess, but that allows you to spread your speed weapons deep so the overlap in skills seems less to me. Would you agree?
There is twitter talk that whichever Ohio WR we select at #11, then the Eagles will select the other a few spots after. It seems to me that Wilson would be the perfect fit for them to compliment the differentskills of Devonta Smith. I know thats irrelevant in terms of Washington roster, but we do play the Eagles twice a year!
Interested where you look next..
I think the key difference is that NFL offenses can more easily accommodate multiple versions of Olave’s skill set of being a deep threat. Having 2 DeSean Jacksons, for example, would be a nightmare for defenses to have to cover because you’d have to live out of 2-high coverages and be left light in the box constantly. It’s what Miami are about to do with Hill and Waddle. So even though Dyami Brown and Terry McLaurin are both deep threats, adding another in Olave only helps each guy and the rest of the offense.
Teams certainly could accommodate both Samuel and Wilson because they’re both good players. But they’re both players you want to manufacture a certain number of touches a game to, to try and unlock their home run threat. Having them both on the field would cause confusion for defenses in that they wouldn’t know which one lines up where and which one is gonna be a decoy on a fake end-around and which one would get the ball on the jet sweep, for example. Both are capable receivers too, so they could work. But it’s much harder to manufacture those types of touches for two similar players than it is to accommodate two deep threats in an offense.
I continue to be befuddled by the notion that the Commies need to go WR at 11. While they're not loaded at receiver, they're also one sprained ankle away from Corn Elder starting in the secondary. Seems like it's where they're headed, but feels like a luxury pick when they have real depth issues in the secondary, at QB, and on both lines
I don’t think they need to, necessarily. But adding more weapons to help maximize the offense wouldn’t hurt, especially if they deem a WR to be the best player available at their pick. But certainly a DB or LB are in play at 11 too.
I think if Gardiner is there at 11 you take him and work back to the end of round 1 or top of round 2 to get whichever WR slides a little. I am also ok with trading back from 11 if someone wants a Qb and we can net out a late first round and extra day 2 picks. There will be Wrs there who will have excellent careers
…but Stingley worries me a lot with his injury history
Mark, you mentioned the overlap in skill set between Garrett Wilson and Curtis Samuel, which I definitely can see. But how about the similarities between Olave and Terry? I feel like they both rely on great vertical speed and operate really well off the vertical route tree, but are not particular elusive after the catch like Wilson is. That’s why I like Wilson more since I’m still not convinced that Curtis will be 100% next season.
If you see my reply to another comment here, you’ll see I touch on that. There is some overlap between Olave and McLaurin, but its far easier to accommodate two deep threats in an offense than two move pieces like Samuel and Wilson. If you have two deep threats, you can put one on either side and force the defense to work out of 2-high safety coverages, leaving them light in the box. Alternatively you can put them on the same side and use one to open up space for the other.
I also think you’re underselling McLaurin a bit too. He’s maybe not as elusive after the catch as Samuel/Wilson, but he’s certainly physical and breaks tackles to maximize his YAC. Having a deep threat opposite him like Olave will only help him in that regard.
You definitely make a solid point when saying it’s harder to accommodate two moving pieces than two deep threats. Thanks for your response Mark
Do you see him as a outside WR or slot guy?
I think he’s a guy you move around and play both inside and outside, like Curtis Samuel.